Discussion in 'Forum: Saw Identification and Discussion' started by fred0325, Sep 29, 2016.

  1. fred0325

    fred0325 Most Valued Member

    Hello all,

    This is another enormous saw by British standards, it having a blade just over 20 inches long. The handle is nothing to write home about but, as the seller said, it would have cost a lot more with a better handle.

    There are three firms that could have made this as far as I can see. Weldon Furniss and Co. (1809 to 1817. Furniss Cutler and Stacy (1818 to 1833) and then any of the Cutler incarnations from 1837 onwards.

    This is where it gets confusing. The only reference in BSSM to the mark using "Weldon" only is as a secondary line of Hiram Cutler. I have a Weldon Furniss and Co. backsaw and it is clearly marked as such. There are two marks recorded in BSSM for Furniss Cutler and Stacey and neither comprises "Weldon" only. Although if I had to date the mark simply by looking at it, I would put it during this firm's existence.

    It should be, however, a Hiram Cutler saw. It does have "German.Steel" but this could be a late usage of the "dot".

    To make matters more complicated I have seen an image of a "Weldon" only backsaw dated at 1810 - ish.

    Does anyone have any thoughts.


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  2. David

    David Most Valued Member

    Hi Fred,
    I just got the mate to your saw in a box lot at a local auction. Not quite as large, it's 18 1/4" long and has the same German.Steel mark as yours. The spine on mine tapers more than 3/16" from handle to toe. Yours appears to do the same, I think.

    And I do have something to add to your research. There is another reference to Weldon in BSSM, in the citation for Joseph Wilson. Simon posits that William Weldon bought up Wilson's stock when he went bankrupt and out of business in 1775. This notion is based on the one existing saw with Wilson's mark, which is also stamped Weldon, just as your and my examples are. Weldon's mark includes Cast.Steel. The image of the mark is shown on page 651. BSSM dates it in the range of 1770-1820, although I'm not sure why since I'd be surprised if the stock sat around for 45 years before being re-used by Weldon.

    Weldon  German.Steel.jpg Weldon handle front.jpg Weldon handle rear.jpg Weldon die stamp.jpg
  3. fred0325

    fred0325 Most Valued Member

    Thanks David,

    I hadn't seen the Weldon/Wilson saw before you pointed it out. It is also nice to see what the my handle should look like.

    Even though there is an 18th century "Weldon" (I agree about the stock turnover thing) and the markings on all the saws have the same lettering style, going on the lack of a flattened bottom horn I would still have to put our saws quite late on in the Weldon dynasty (unfortunately).

    This also raises the question of when the flattened bottom horn ceased to be in fashion. Whilst writing this I have suddenly realised that I don't have the faintest idea. I always assumed that it was the late 1820's/30's ( I accept that cheaper saws retained them indefinitely), but on looking though my photo's I have found a Bayley with a reclining ampersand with a fishtail/dolphin tail handle and which may be 1815 -ish


    Nothing is easy is it?