To medallion or not.

Discussion in 'Forum: Saw Identification and Discussion' started by Joe S, Aug 5, 2008.

  1. Joe S

    Joe S Most Valued Member

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    To medallion or not

    Hey Simon et al
    Thanks for all the work there and yes there are lots of interesting things Ray has provided when he created this "monster". Lots of info on Thomas B but why he has his name only on the saws and not the others owner stills seems a little odd unless as you are inffering that the name Wilson would cause confusion with other Wilsons. The first saw is my favourite saw because whoever made that handle aesthetically and functionally really "got" it.
    What do you need in the way of Pics and how do you want me to get them to you?
    Let me know
    Joe
     
  2. ray

    ray Administrator Staff Member

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    Hi Simon, Joe et al,

    I bought a copy of Geoffrey Tweedale's Directory of Sheffield Cutlery Manufacturers 1740-2010, late last year, based on Simon's recommendation, and it's a marvellous reference, many toolmakers are referenced in detail. Although my primary interest is in sawmakers, there are plenty of other toolmakers.

    So I second the recommendation.. I got it from here...
    http://www.lulu.com/product/paperba...gContext=search_results/search_shelf/center/1

    Back to Thomas Buxton Hawksworth, I'm very pleased to note that Simon's summary is very close to the final summary I did earlier in this thread.

    As an aside, I note that John Wilson Hawksworth, get's a mention in the Sheffield Flood archives, for his valuation of 61 tons of damaged sheet steel a claim by Samuel Butcher, Merchant Banner Cross

    "61 tons 7 cwt 0 qtrs1 lb. Finished Steel Sheets Packed ready for Packing. This lot was seen and valued by John Wilson Hawksworth Esquire at 15., per cwt loss"

    Joe, when you get to take pictures of those marks, try putting the saw into a flat bed scanner, rather than a camera, I find I get much better resolution and image quality that way.

    Regards
    Ray
     
  3. Joe S

    Joe S Most Valued Member

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    Hey Simon
    I scanned the marks as you asked and if they aren't suitable or what you need let me know how we can get them to you in a better form.
    All the best
    Joe S
     

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  4. kiwi

    kiwi Most Valued Member

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    For the record, another "Thos. B Hawksworth" saw (found this week)
    This is a bit of a junker saw, but it has a nice old warranted superior medallion, and the price was right (free ! :) ).
    The use of the Warranted Superior medallion reinforces the idea that Thos Hawksworth (or Wilson Hawksworth Ellison & Co ) did not rate their handsaw business high enough to have their own named medallion, (but high enough to have an embossed WS medallion ).
    The blade stamp is interesting in that the fainter "double refined", "cast steel", "warranted" stamps are not accurately aligned, making them askew with each other and with the main stamp. (made by a left leaning union worker ? )

    Grace's guide has a good summary of Thomas Buxton Hawksworth, and Wilson Hawksworth Ellison & Co (including old adverts), which rounds out the info given previously in this thread
    http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Thomas_Buxton_Hawksworth
    http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Wilson,_Hawksworth,_Ellison_and_Co
     

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  5. Barleys

    Barleys Most Valued Member

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    to medallion or not

    This is an interesting example of marks applied at two different stages of manufacture.
    The deeply struck named mark was applied at the beginning, when the steel was still in its annealed (softer) state, but the marks below were applied after hardening and tempering and some grinding/glazing - so called "bright struck".

    I'm not sure that kiwi's reasoning is necessarily right - you can get some very elaborate work on saws at the cheap end of the market, eg Taylor Bros Guinea saws, or T Turner's Renrut series (their 6th quality - beautiful medallions!)