Hello all, It is perhaps a bit of a misnomer to call that asterisky thing above the "late" on Hill late Howel saws a sun, but I got the idea from a seller on Ebay some years ago who so described it referring to its allusion to the company's address in Sun Street, London. The only problem with this is that neither in HSMOB or BSSM is there reference to such an address so you may wish to take the above description with a pinch of salt. Whatever the asterisky thing is, or is supposed to be, it isn't here on this saw. The questions then arise:- 1) was left off by accident? 2)was it left off by design, and if so, why? or 3)Do we, in fact, have pre and post "Sun" saws by this maker. Now to the saw itself. The plate has seen better days in terms of straightness but it does have two screws and is brass backed which would indicate that it was earlier in the life of this company than later and that it was a quality saw. I am also assuming that "I" is an archaic form of "J" and this should also put it as an earlier saw The handle is 1.03 inches thick and this should indicate that it was also a quality saw in its day. The first two questions above are purely rhetorical as the answer can never be known. It might be possible however to find out if there are any other "No sun" saws around, and if so to have a WAG at their dates. If they (all ) turn out to be I Hill saws, then this may well indicate some foundation for the pre/post Sun theory. If you could scour your collections for such examples (or contrary examples), I would be eternally grateful. If there are none, it could just be put down to being an error in stamping. Fred NB The 3rd picture below is one that I have on my computer, but I think that it is one that I have snaffled from somewhere. It has the "Sun".