Hey Ray et al. Here are three saws of two different Smiths (I think) The "table" saw and the Brass back are both from the (John)Smith and Sons manufacture. HSMB suggest that they were around from 1814-1834. The 16" brass back markings are self evident including the dot between the cast and steel. The 24 inch "table" saw has another Smith and Son Cast.Steel stamp encircled with three crowns. Of more interest to me was the "John Thomas" owner scratched etch 1834 on the reverse side of the saw. There might have been a nib at some point but the remnants have been filed down. The third saw is 26" hand saw that has an "I.Smith, German Steel" again encircled with three crowns. I am guessing that the "I." is again for a John or Joseph Smith but I am unsure if that is in connection with the Smith and Sons or the 3 other John Smiths that HSMB notes as existing. John Smith of Crooks Manor, 1822-1824, Henry and John Smith of Rockingham St, 1841 or John Smith of Russell St. 1847. This doesn't include the Joseph Smiths which the "I." more often used for. Ray has provided some other options in the Sawmaker Check List with a Joseph Smith at Park 1828-49 and a Joseph the merchant of Matilda, Sidney and Shoreham. I don't think this saw was manufactured later than this time. Any ideas? As an aside and sorta connected, I look at the cover of the HSMB which are of saws that were taken from the "Joseph Smith" (connected?) early catalogue and am amazed how similar the handle shapes are to these saws and of another group I am going to bring up at a later time. enjoy Joe S.