Jackson & Co.

Discussion in 'Forum: Saw Identification and Discussion' started by wiktor48, May 14, 2009.

  1. wiktor48

    wiktor48 Most Valued Member

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    Hello All,

    Here are pictures of 2 blade stamps. One is handsaw the other is backsaw.
    The handsaw is by Jackson & Co.-Sheffield. The backsaw doesn\'t have any other marking that you can see in the pic.

    I am trying to compare these two stamps and see if the bacsaw could be made by Jackson from Sheffield.

    Any shearch for Jackson & Co. in US doesn\'t provide belivable or lagible results.

    Thanks much, Wiktor [​IMG]
     
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    wiktor48 Most Valued Member

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    Here is mister Jackson & Co. [​IMG]
     
  3. ray

    ray Administrator Staff Member

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    Hi Wiktor,

    Interesting pair of saws, the one at the top, the handsaw, is by William Jackson, there is an image of his trade mark on the
    trademarks page.

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    The backsaw, (which is the one you are asking about) \"spring steel\" \"Jackson & Co. \"warranted\" could be the
    same maker, I can only find three Sheffield makers with Jackson in the name,

    The first, \"Spear and Jackson\" is the most obvious, but I think we can eliminate them on the basis of the mark.
    The second \"William Jackson\" has a very long history fron 1859 through to 1954 Sheaf Island Works Pond Hill (1859-1901) Green Lane (1901-1954)
    The third \"Jackson Newton & Co\" was also in Pond Hill (1864), and is related in to William Jackson, same works, same address..

    Here is an advert for Jackson Newton from White\'s 1862

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    So, if it is a Sheffield made saw, then William Jackson seems to be the most likely maker.

    The next one to look at I feel is probably \"John Jackson\" a London Maker from 1839.

    I would like to see the rest of the saw, handle shape, saw nuts, etc, all could provide valuable clues.

    Regards
    Ray
     
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    ray Administrator Staff Member

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    Here is John Jackson\'s entry in the London Post Office Directory from 1841

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    Regards
    Ray
     
  5. wiktor48

    wiktor48 Most Valued Member

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    Ray, here are two more pics.

    Unfortunately, I don\'t have this saw with me. It is one of the saws that Philip Baker has and picture he sent with other pictures when he was writing an article on Jackson – American. We both know that it is not Jackson from Monroe , but this is all info we both have.

    When compare to Jackson & Co – Sheffield saw, to me it appears that the stamps on markings look the same…

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  6. wiktor48

    wiktor48 Most Valued Member

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    Re:Jackson & Co.

    Pic #2
     
  7. wiktor48

    wiktor48 Most Valued Member

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    Woops....

    Here it is [​IMG]
     
  8. ray

    ray Administrator Staff Member

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    Hi Wiktor,

    Let\'s go through the possibilities,

    1. Disston made saws with \"Jackson\" stamp, the only ones I am aware of are steel backed, and the mark is just Jackson, not Jackson & Co.
    Conclusion: I think we can eliminate this option.

    2. John Jackson, the 1840\'s London maker, is an outside candidate, we have no indication as to how he marked his saws.
    Conclusion: Not eliminated, but without further information, it seems unlikely.

    3. William Jackson, We know, from the handsaw, that he used \"Jackson & Co\" in a curve as part of his mark, so far he is the only candidate
    that meets this criteria. So why doesn\'t the trademark masonic symbol with maltese cross appear on the backsaw, it might be that the trademark
    was introduced later. A check of when the Cutler\'s Company approved the mark might be interesting to check.

    Conclusion: Wm Jackson & Co are my bet for the maker.

    Further Research on Wm Jackson & Co, turned up some interesting trivia, they made Bowie Knives, and a Bowie knife made by Wm Jackson & Co was carried by
    John Wilkes Booth on the night he shot Abraham Lincon, he dropped it in his haste to escape the theater.
    See: http://www.flayderman.com/ scroll down and look for Wm Jackson..

    Wm Jackson & Co, also exhibited \"steel saws and cutlery\" in the New York 1853 exhibition, so we have confirmation that they were exporting to the USA
    pre civil war at least.. See: http://www.archive.org/stream/officialcatalog00natigoog/officialcatalog00natigoog_djvu.txt and search for \"Wm Jackson\"

    or a full scan from google books http://books.google.com.au/books?id...ntcover&dq=New+York+1853+exhibition#PPA110,M1

    This is from the New York 1853 Exhibition Catalog

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    Ken Roberts \"Some 19th Century Woodworking tools\" has a reprint of an 1883 advert for WM Jackson & Co. (Page 65) which lists \"WM Jackson & Sons\" as
    well as \"R Vernon & Sons\" as registered marks. I would be thinking this doesn\'t preclude them using Jackson & Co as well as evidenced by
    the handsaw.

    It would be good to get Simon Barley\'s take on this, he might be able to check when the masonic trade mark was registered.

    Regards
    Ray
     
  9. wiktor48

    wiktor48 Most Valued Member

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    Re:Jackson & Co.

    Thanks Ray....

    Wiktor