Spear & Jackson handsaw with dated etch

Discussion in 'Forum: Saw Identification and Discussion' started by Dusty Shed Dweller, Mar 15, 2017.

  1. Dusty Shed Dweller

    Dusty Shed Dweller Most Valued Member

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    This is a saw I refurbished for Mari. I see a lot of S&J "88's" in their various guises but this one has a very interesting etch, which includes the writing "Jubilee 1837-1887". Going by the various features, including sand-cast "centennial" style 1870's bolts and an incused "SxJ" medallion it probably dates from around the late 1880's. A WAG guess suggests that it is a special edition model to commemorate the 50th anniversary of S&J, which appears to be 1887. The handle is select apple with a heel plate, and the plate has been cut to shape with hand shears and required extensive hand-fitting. One of the images compares the plate versus a D-8 of a similar age.

    Simon outlines that the company claimed its 2ooth anniversary to be around 1970, a date that is inconsistent with that outlined on medallion surrounds on 1920-1960 model 88's.
     

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  2. Barleys

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    Haven't yet managed to download your pictures, but I think that the Jubilee referred to here is that of Q Victoria.
    Simon
     
  3. Underthedirt

    Underthedirt Most Valued Member

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    Hi Dusty,

    Thanks for the job you did on that S&J, it's come up really well, a top quality English saw with an apple handle & heel guard, you don't see those every day of the week- at least not in Melbourne!

    And thanks Simon, that would be spot on- I was sure that it was S&Js Jubilee, but Queen Victoria's Jubilee date it is, many thanks for that...:)


    Regards

    Mari
     
  4. Dusty Shed Dweller

    Dusty Shed Dweller Most Valued Member

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    I agree that Simon seems to have nailed this one, but it still dates the saw to ca. 1887, which is very early for a D-8 knock off. Certainly a better piece of royal commemorative memorabilia than a coffee mug or a tea-towel.

    Dating 88's by the medallion plate is problematic; 1940's (post war) models have a brass medallion surround with words to the effects of "saw makers for 160 years", which places the anniversary date around 1980.
     
  5. Barleys

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    Ken Hawley (than whom few were more knowledgeable) and another of our volunteers spent many many hours trying, with the help of a long series of S&J catalogues in their hands, to date the many 88s and 82s in the Hawley Collection: they did not succeed to their complete satisfaction.
    I got the feeling, trying to date the photos I have of S&J output (similarly, with catalogues) that their output was very large and changed extremely frequently in small respects. It felt like a mug's game, and if their products hadn't been so high class, I might have ended up hating them.
     
  6. Dusty Shed Dweller

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    Simon, I very much agree that dating S&J gear is akin to one of the 12 tasks of Hercules. If the boys from Hawley couldn't date the 88 lineage then mere mortals such as myself have no chance. S&J are not alone in "gilding the lily" in some of their advertising which make the task even more problematic. S&J are one of my favourite brands to work with, greatly under-rated, high class saws, at least the equal of much vaunted US brands... at a later date Mari will be posting a saw from S&J that I believe is unique.